Breed profile
Grand Fauve de Bretagne: the extinct Breton hound, and what can actually be proved about it
A wolf hound from Brittany that every English page calls extinct, and not one of them dates.
Quick answer
The Grand Fauve de Bretagne was a large fawn scent hound from Brittany, used on wolf and wild boar, and it is extinct. No register ever recognised it, so none ever removed it, and no source names a year. The last dated evidence is an 1889 Paris show where more than ten were entered.
This page is general editorial information about a breed that no longer exists, not veterinary advice. Nothing here diagnoses or treats any animal. If a dog in your care is unwell, injured or behaving abnormally, consult a registered veterinarian in person without delay, because no web page can examine your dog.
Grand Fauve de Bretagne at a glance
What the Grand Fauve de Bretagne actually was, and why you cannot get one
The Grand Fauve de Bretagne was a large, harsh-coated, uniformly fawn scent hound from Brittany in north-west France, kept in packs to hunt wolf and wild boar, and it is extinct. Every authority that mentions it says so, and not one of them gives a year.
Start with what is agreed, because it is a short list. The breed was large, rough-coated and one solid fawn colour, which is what its name says: fauve is French for fawn. It was a scent hound, worked in packs, and its quarry was dangerous: wolf and wild boar Horter R, Old French Hounds. It came from Brittany. It is gone.
Everything past that point is contested, and the contest is the reason this page exists. Four sources give four different heights. Two give two different accounts of why it died. The organisation that recognises the surviving relatives has never heard of it as a separate breed at all. And the single most-quoted evidential detail in the English literature, an 1873 report of only three surviving packs, is footnoted to an article that does not contain it.
The breed history in the four dates that can be checked
Four dates in this breed history survive contact with a source. In 1520 a hound named Miraud was presented to King Francis I by the Breton Admiral Claude d'Annebauld. In 1570 Charles IX listed the Fauve de Bretagne among the principal breeds of French hounds in his hunting book. In 1865 the Vicomte de Madec's dog Lourdaud, described as powerful, deep-chested and rough-coated, was photographed in Paris, and in 1866 Baron Halna du Fretay bought that pack from de Madec, his uncle. The last dated sighting is 1889, a Paris dog show at which Henri de Lamande entered more than ten Grand Fauves, one of them a bitch called Fanfare II who was pictured in the 1904 edition of de Bylandt's Hondenrassen and who was, in Horter's words, substantially smaller than her ancestor Lourdaud.
Note what that sequence does and does not establish. It gives a living, showable population in 1889 and a published image in 1904. It gives no year of disappearance, and it gives a clear direction of travel: the dogs were getting smaller, because the baron had been advised by the hound specialist Henri Comte Le Couteulx de Canteleu to cross in the Grand Griffon Vendeen, and the result was a strong Vendeen type.
The one clause that describes the breed's own body
No breed standard was ever written for the Grand Fauve de Bretagne, and that single fact governs the whole page. A breed standard is a document a register publishes so that a dog can be judged against it, and this breed was gone before the French register system that would have produced one. What exists instead is prose: large rough-coated hounds, their coats were short, dense and harsh, and they were a uniform pale golden-brown in colour. That is a description, not a standard, and it cannot settle a measurement.
The closest thing to a surviving specification is the standard for the breed's own descendant. FCI Standard N 66, for the Griffon Fauve de Bretagne, describes a harsh coat in exactly the terms the Grand Fauve is described in, very rough, harsh, rather short, never woolly or curly, and a colour from golden wheaten to red brick in hue. If you want to know what the extinct dog's jacket felt like, that clause is the best available evidence, and it is evidence about a different, smaller breed.
Two sources describe the same sixteenth-century structure and name it differently. Horter lists four pure lines by colour: Chien Blanc, Chien Noir, Chien Gris and Chien Fauve, white, black, grey and tawny. The UK Basset Fauve de Bretagne club lists the same four as the white (du Rol), the fawn (de Bretagne), the grey (du St Louis) and the black. The two accounts agree on the structure and differ on the labels, so a reader meeting only one of them will think the other is wrong. Neither is.
How big was it? Four published heights, a 5 cm spread, and no standard
Four sources give the Grand Fauve de Bretagne a height and they do not agree. The published figures run from up to 69 cm at the low end to 74 cm at the high end, and because no breed standard was ever written there is no document that can settle the disagreement.
| Source | As printed | In centimetres |
|---|---|---|
| Wikipedia infobox | Up to 69 cm (27 in) | 69.0 |
| AKC breed history article | 27.5 to 29.5 inch | 69.8 to 74.9 |
| Basset Fauve de Bretagne Club (UK) | between 70 and 74 cm at the shoulder | 70.0 to 74.0 |
| Meet the Basset Breeds (UK) | some 70-74cm at the shoulder | 70.0 to 74.0 |
| Horter 2014, the specialist article | no height given anywhere | None |
The spread between the lowest published figure and the highest is 5.0 cm, which on a dog of this size is the difference between a large hound and a very large one. Three of the four sources cluster at 70 to 75 cm and only Wikipedia caps the breed below 70 cm.
The height figure that could not be verified, and what sits next to it
Wikipedia's infobox height is attributed to the same three references as the rest of its article: Fogle 2009, Horter 2014 and Morris 2001. Of those three, only Horter is freely retrievable, so this page retrieved it and searched the extracted text. The Horter article gives the Grand Fauve de Bretagne no height at all. The strings 69 and 27 in do appear in the document, but they belong to a different animal: The Chien de Bresse, a rough-haired hound, about 27 inches (68 centimeters) at the shoulder, that existed until the end of the 19th century.
State the limit of that finding precisely, because it is easy to overclaim. This page cannot show where Wikipedia's 69 cm came from, and it does not assert that it came from the Chien de Bresse line. What it can show is that the figure is not in the one cited source that could be checked, and that the only comparable figure in that source describes another breed. Two of the three cited books remain unchecked, and either could carry the number.
What the body was probably like, from the parts that are consistent
Three physical descriptors survive in every source that gives any, and they agree. The coat was harsh and rough rather than smooth or woolly. The colour was a single fawn, from pale golden-brown upward, with no pattern. And the frame was heavy enough for wolf and boar work. Wikipedia's phrasing is short, dense and harsh, and a uniform pale golden-brown; the UK breed club adds fire, dash, drive, a fine nose and their resistance to the cold and wet.
That last clause matters more than it looks, and it is picked up in the climate section below. The one environmental quality the breed's own describers claimed for it is resistance to cold and wet. Nobody, anywhere, claimed heat tolerance for this dog.
The image most often reproduced with this breed is dated 1865 and shows Lourdaud, the Vicomte de Madec's dog, photographed in Paris. Horter records that Fanfare II, shown in 1889 and pictured in the 1904 de Bylandt, was substantially smaller than Lourdaud. So the famous picture is of the largest documented individual near the top of the breed's size range, taken a generation before the last dated sighting, and it should not be read as typical.
When did the Grand Fauve de Bretagne go extinct? Nobody says
No source names a year. That is the finding, and it survived a deliberate search across a registry, a kennel club, a breed club, an encyclopedia article and the one freely downloadable specialist article the others cite. The most any of them offers is a decade, and the decades disagree.
Set the four published statements side by side and the absence is obvious.
| Source | What it actually says | Year given |
|---|---|---|
| Wikipedia | in subsequent decades the breed became extinct | None |
| Horter 2014, Canine Chronicle | The Grand Fauve de Bretagne became extinct, but the type was preserved in the Briquet Fauve | None |
| American Kennel Club | The Grand Basset de Bretagne became extinct in the 1800s | A century, and the wrong breed name |
| Basset Fauve de Bretagne Club (UK) | These now appear to be extinct in France | None, and hedged |
| FCI Standard N 66 history clause | it suffered a decline when these animals disappeared | No extinction claimed at all |
The UK breed club is the most careful of the five, and it is the one that hedges. Its phrasing is these now appear to be extinct in France. That is the language of somebody who has looked and found nothing, rather than of somebody repeating a fact. It is also the only source that bounds the claim geographically.
Why no register can settle it
A register can date an extinction only if it listed the breed in the first place, and none did. The FCI's alphabetical index for the letter G returns twenty-four breeds, including the Grand Anglo-Francais in three colours, the Grand Basset Griffon Vendeen, the Grand Bleu de Gascogne, the Grand Griffon Vendeen and the Griffon Fauve de Bretagne itself. The Grand Fauve de Bretagne is not among them. That is a proven absence rather than a failed search, because the same query in the same session returned the breed's own closest relative.
The same holds in the United States. The AKC's complete breed list, reproduced in full inside the AKC's own Basset Fauve de Bretagne history article, contains the Basset Fauve de Bretagne, the Grand Basset Griffon Vendeen, the Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen, the Brussels Griffon and the Wirehaired Pointing Griffon. It contains neither the Grand Fauve de Bretagne nor the Griffon Fauve de Bretagne. Four Griffon-named breeds present is a strong control; the two Fauve absences are real.
So the registry recognition answer is symmetrical and unhelpful in the way that matters: no register ever admitted this breed, therefore no register ever removed it, therefore no register can tell you when it stopped existing. An extinction date would have to come from the hunting literature, and the hunting literature gives a last sighting rather than a last dog.
What the evidence actually bounds
- Alive and showable in 1889, when more than ten were entered at a Paris show.
- Pictured in 1904, in the de Bylandt edition of that year, in the form of Fanfare II.
- Already changing type before 1889, through a documented Grand Griffon Vendeen cross that made the dogs smaller.
- Gone by the time the FCI existed in any recognisable modern form, since the surviving Fauve standards date from a club founded in 1949.
That is a window, not a date, and this page will not narrow it further than the sources do. A page that prints a year here would be inventing one.
The 1873 three-packs claim, followed back to the article it is credited to
Wikipedia's most specific evidential sentence about this breed does not appear in the source it is footnoted to. The claim is that by 1873 purebred examples were hard to find and only three packs retained the bloodlines, and it carries two footnotes, one of which is checkable.
Here is the sentence, as printed: With the extirpation of wolves from much of France in the mid-19th century these hounds became rare; by 1873 it was recorded that purebred examples were hard to find and it was believed only three packs retained the bloodlines; in subsequent decades the breed became extinct. It is footnoted to reference 2, Horter 2014, and reference 3, Morris 2001.
Horter 2014 is a four-page PDF hosted on the author's own site, and it is the only one of Wikipedia's three references that can be opened without buying a book. A fetch tool reported that the file contained primarily encoded/compressed image data and font information, with no readable text content. That report was wrong. Extracting the same 5.9 MB file directly returned a text layer of 13,601 characters across four pages, page by page: 1,995, 4,309, 3,899 and 3,398 characters.
What the extracted text does and does not contain
| String searched | Occurrences |
|---|---|
| fauve, case-insensitive | 17 |
| 1873 | 0 |
| three packs | 0 |
| 69 | 0 |
| Chasse Royale | 0 |
| Briquet | 2 |
So the article does discuss the breed at length, seventeen mentions across a dedicated section headed GRAND FAUVE DE BRETAGNE, and it does not contain the 1873 date or the three-packs claim. Wikipedia attributes that sentence to two sources; one of them, on inspection, does not support it. The claim may well be sound and may sit in Morris 2001, which this page could not obtain. What is demonstrably wrong is the citation, and a reader following the free footnote to check the claim will not find it.
A second discrepancy in the same article, on the cross that made the Griffon
Wikipedia says the Griffon Fauve de Bretagne was made by crossing Grand Fauves with Briquet Griffon Vendeens, and footnotes it to Fogle, Horter and Morris together. Horter's text says the outcross advised by Le Couteulx de Canteleu was the Grand Griffon Vendeen, a larger and separate FCI breed carrying standard number 282 Federation Cynologique Internationale. Those are two different dogs.
Wikipedia's own Griffon Fauve de Bretagne article makes the same Briquet claim but footnotes it to a different book altogether, Clark and Brace 1995. That is internally consistent for that page. The problem is confined to the Grand Fauve page, where Horter is cited for a statement Horter contradicts.
The 1570 Charles IX claim is footnoted to Fogle and Morris only, not to Horter, and Horter indeed does not contain the phrase Chasse Royale. So Wikipedia's footnoting on that sentence is honest, and this page found no problem with it. Reporting the clean result matters as much as reporting the dirty one, because a checker who only publishes hits is not checking.
Why the Grand Fauve de Bretagne died out, including the reason Wikipedia drops
Two causes are given in the literature, and the popular pages carry only one of them. Wikipedia attributes the decline to the extirpation of wolves; Horter, the article Wikipedia cites for that sentence, puts at least as much weight on the breed's temperament and says so in terms.
Wikipedia's account is the one that travels. With the extirpation of wolves from much of France in the mid-19th century these hounds became rare, it says, and the sentence is footnoted to Horter 2014 and to Morris 2001. It is not wrong. Horter says the same thing in different words: When big game disappeared in France, so did the demand for large dogs, and records that in the 1880s Baron Halna du Fretay killed the last wolves in Finistere, the district at the extreme west of Brittany.
But Horter gives a second cause, and gives it the decisive verb. Nineteenth-century dog writers, it reports, criticised the Grand Fauve's temperament: The dogs were first-class hooligans, killing a sheep or goat as readily as they killed game. The Grand Fauve failed as a pack hound. Its fierceness, unruliness and passion for game couldn't be found in any other French hound and these characteristics finally proved fatal for the breed.
Finally proved fatal for the breed is not a hedge. It is Horter's own summary judgment, and it is absent from the Wikipedia article that cites Horter. A reader who knows only the popular version comes away thinking the breed was a casualty of conservation, when the specialist source says it was a casualty of being unmanageable.
The evidence that people tried to fix the temperament and failed
The strongest support for Horter's reading is that owners demonstrably tried to breed the problem out. The Comte de Boldesrues, a nineteenth-century wolf hunter, owned more than 80 Grand Fauves. After his death the pack passed to the Comte de St Prix, who crossbred the Grand Fauves with Bloodhounds, trying to temper their disposition, although without success.
Read that sequence as a breeder would. A pack of more than eighty dogs is a serious genetic base, large enough to select within. Its next owner judged the temperament bad enough to outcross to another breed entirely. The outcross did not work. Then a third owner outcrossed again, this time to the Grand Griffon Vendeen, and that one changed the type rather than the temper: the dogs became smaller and more Vendeen. A breed that has been outcrossed twice in two generations by owners trying to fix it is not a breed being lost to circumstance.
The third cause nobody mentions, and why this page will not assert it
The French Revolution changed who was allowed to keep hounds, and the AKC's history article makes that the hinge of the whole family's story: after 1789 anyone could hunt, most people could not afford a horse, and demand shifted to short-legged dogs that could be followed on foot. That is a plausible third pressure on a large pack hound. It is also, as an explanation of this breed's extinction specifically, unsourced in every document retrieved for this page, so it is offered here as context and not as a cause.
Where two published causes exist, this page prints both rather than choosing. The wolf explanation is real and is documented in the FCI's own history clause for the surviving Griffon, which says the breed was much used until the nineteenth century for wolf hunting in Brittany and suffered a decline when these animals disappeared. The temperament explanation is also real, is the specialist article's own conclusion, and is the one the ranking pages leave out.
What the scientific record holds on this breed, which is nothing at all
The Grand Fauve de Bretagne has no scientific literature. The whole Fauve de Bretagne family has three records in PubMed, all three about the Basset, and getting to that number required defeating a query rewrite that hides them.
Search PubMed for the exact phrase and you get zero, and the zero is an artefact. The quoted query "Basset Fauve de Bretagne" returns a count of 0, and PubMed's own query-translation line explains why: it rewrote the phrase to `"basset"[All Fields] AND "fauve"[All Fields] AND de bretagne[Author]`. It parsed de Bretagne as an author surname.
That rewrite is demonstrably wrong, and this page can prove it in one step. PubMed record 26474315 is titled Two Independent Mutations in ADAMTS17 Are Associated with Primary Open Angle Glaucoma in the Basset Hound and Basset Fauve de Bretagne Breeds of Dog. The phrase is in the title of a record PubMed itself indexes, and the quoted search for that phrase returns nothing.
| Query | Count | What PubMed actually searched |
|---|---|---|
| "Grand Fauve de Bretagne" | 0 | grand OR grands AND fauve AND de bretagne[Author] |
| "Griffon Fauve de Bretagne" | 0 | griffon OR griffons AND fauve AND de bretagne[Author] |
| "Basset Fauve de Bretagne" | 0 | basset AND fauve AND de bretagne[Author] |
| fauve[All Fields] AND bretagne[All Fields] | 3 | the query as written |
| Labrador Retriever hip dysplasia (control) | 126 | normal expansion, worked |
| Beagle glaucoma (control) | 128 | normal expansion, worked |
Both controls returned sane, large counts in the same session, so the database was working. Only the breed queries were rewritten. Drop the quotation marks and the real literature appears: three records in total, and that is the entire Fauve de Bretagne corpus in PubMed.
The three records, named
- PMID 26474315, Oliver, Forman, Pettitt and Mellersh, PLoS ONE 2015, on two ADAMTS17 mutations and primary open angle glaucoma in the Basset Hound and the Basset Fauve de Bretagne.
- PMID 27192202, the 2016 Correction to that same paper, which replaces one figure.
- PMID 16420259, Leroy and colleagues, Journal of Animal Breeding and Genetics 2006, on genetic variability in nine French breeds assessed by pedigree data.
All three are about the Basset, and none is about the Grand or the Griffon. The Leroy study is the clearest case: it names its nine breeds explicitly, and the Fauve it studied is the Basset fauve de Bretagne, abbreviated BAF, with an effective number of ancestors of 40.2 for dogs born 1997 to 2001 and an average inbreeding coefficient of 3.9 per cent. Those are the highest ancestor count and the second-lowest inbreeding figure of the nine breeds in the paper.
So the honest statement for this page is that a breed which vanished before the modern veterinary literature began has no entry in it, that the family's three papers all concern its shortest-legged descendant, and that no lifespan, disease prevalence or screening figure exists for the Grand Fauve de Bretagne from any source. This page publishes none.
Grand Fauve de Bretagne price in India, and what the search actually returns
There is no Grand Fauve de Bretagne price in india, because there is no Grand Fauve de Bretagne anywhere. No rupee figure exists for this breed, none has been invented for this page, and the useful content is what Indian search returns instead of a dog.
Say the conclusion first and then evidence it. A price requires a seller, a seller requires an animal, and no register on earth claims a living population of this breed American Kennel Club. So the correct price in india is not a number and not a range. It is an absence, and the absence is the most useful thing a buyer can be told.
The one page that promises otherwise is worth naming. Petlur, an Indian site, ranks third for this term with a page titled Grand Fauve de Bretagne Dog Breed Info, Size, Price, Height. Its Price (Avg.) field reads Unavailable. So even the Indian page that advertises a price in its title does not print one, and the title is doing work the page cannot support.
The only rupee figures Indian search attaches to this name
Every rupee figure that Indian search returns for Fauve de Bretagne is merchandise or overhead. None is a dog.
| Figure as printed | What it actually buys |
|---|---|
| Rs 799, offered at Rs 120 | An 18 inch self-adhesive wall sticker of a dog's face, on Flipkart |
| Rs 400 or more | A dog leash, on a Justdial auto-generated pet-shop page |
| Rs 1,000 or more | A dog accessory on the same Justdial template |
| Rs 12,211 | Canine-themed glass art on Etsy's India storefront |
| Rs 2,341 and Rs 2,339 | A paperback training book on Amazon.in |
The Justdial entries deserve a sentence of their own, because they are the clearest example on this page of an auto-generated shell. Pet Shops For Basset Fauve De Bretagne Dog appears as a navigation link on Justdial's German Shepherd pet-shop pages in Balasore and in Dehradun, two cities more than 1,500 km apart, with identical accessory pricing. A page that exists identically for every breed in every city is a template, not a market.
What a genuine market for the family looks like, for contrast
The Basset Fauve de Bretagne does have a real, if small, market, and its published prices are all in US dollars: $1,000 to $2,500 on one breeder listing site, $1200 and $1500 on a breed directory, and $2,500 to $3,500 on a third Good Dog, Basset Fauve de Bretagne puppies…. That is a factor-of-3.5 spread across three US sources for a living breed. For the Grand Fauve there is not even a spread, because there is not a first figure.
Bonbeno publishes no Grand Fauve de Bretagne price because none exists to publish. Anyone quoting one is quoting a different breed, a converted foreign figure, or nothing at all. The next section runs the currency tests anyway, because the arithmetic is what lets a reader check a price they are shown somewhere else.
Running the currency tests when there is no rupee figure to test
Test any rupee price you are shown by dividing it by three exchange rates and looking at the quotient, not merely at whether it divides. This section runs that test on every rupee figure attached to the Fauve de Bretagne name, and on the US dollar prices that a converted Indian page would be built from.
Indian breed pages routinely publish a dollar figure run through one exchange rate and printed as rupees. Three rates recur, and this page prints the quotient in every case rather than a verdict, because the quotient is what tells you whether a human ever priced anything.
| Rupee figure | What it is | / 84.38 | / 74 | / 66.67 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Rs 12,211 | Etsy glass art | 144.71 | 165.01 | 183.16 |
| Rs 2,341 | Amazon.in book | 27.74 | 31.64 | 35.11 |
| Rs 2,339 | Amazon.in book, alternate | 27.72 | 31.61 | 35.08 |
| Rs 799 | Flipkart wall sticker, list | 9.47 | 10.80 | 11.98 |
| Rs 120 | Flipkart wall sticker, offer | 1.42 | 1.62 | 1.80 |
Not one of those quotients is a price a seller would print, at any rate, which is exactly what you expect from figures that were never converted from anything. They are rupee-native prices for rupee-native objects. The test returns nothing because there is nothing to find, and that is the correct result.
What a converted Indian page would print, if one existed
Run the arithmetic forward instead and you get the numbers to watch for. Convert the three published US prices for the family's living member at each rate and the output is a shopping list of figures that would look plausible on an Indian page and would mean nothing.
| US price | At 84.38 | At 74 | At 66.67 |
|---|---|---|---|
| USD 1,000 | Rs 84,380 | Rs 74,000 | Rs 66,670 |
| USD 1,200 | Rs 101,256 | Rs 88,800 | Rs 80,004 |
| USD 1,500 | Rs 126,570 | Rs 111,000 | Rs 100,005 |
| USD 2,500 | Rs 210,950 | Rs 185,000 | Rs 166,675 |
| USD 3,500 | Rs 295,330 | Rs 259,000 | Rs 233,345 |
Rs 74,000 is the figure to distrust most, because USD 1,000 at 74 lands exactly on it, and that same rupee value has been documented on this site across nineteen unrelated breeds in a single Indian price table. If you ever see Rs 74,000 attached to a Fauve de Bretagne, it is a thousand American dollars wearing a rupee sign.
Why the 66.67 test is structurally weak and must never be run alone
66.67 is 200 divided by 3, so a figure ending in three zeros divides by it almost exactly by construction and proves nothing. Rs 1,000 divided by 66.67 is 14.9993. Rs 10,000 divided by 66.67 is 149.9925. Rs 1,00,000 divided by 66.67 is 1499.9250. Every one of those looks like a clean hit and every one is arithmetic rather than evidence.
- Rs 1,000 divides to 14.9993 at 66.67, against 11.8511 at 84.38 and 13.5135 at 74.
- Rs 5,000 divides to 74.9963 at 66.67, against 59.2557 and 67.5676.
- Rs 20,000 divides to 299.9850 at 66.67, against 237.0230 and 270.2703.
- Rs 1,00,000 divides to 1499.9250 at 66.67, against 1185.1150 and 1351.3514.
That is the same structural weakness already documented for a flat rate of 80, where 1,000 divided by 80 is 12.5 and every multiple of a thousand passes. 84.38 is the strong test. Treat a hit at 66.67 or at 80 as evidence only when the quotient is also a number a human would quote, such as 500, 800 or 1,500, and say so on the page when those are the only rates that match.
Rs 98,999 is a house price point used by one Indian listing site and attached to whichever puppy is in stock, including on pages for breeds it does not stock at all. It divides to 1,173.25 dollars at 84.38, 1,337.82 at 74 and 1,484.91 at 66.67, none of which is a price anyone would print, so it is not a conversion either. It is a rupee-native charm price. It is not any breed's price, and it is certainly not this one's.
Auditing the pages that rank: a breed both extinct and recognised, on the same page
Audit the ten pages ranking for this term and a pattern appears: the further a page sits from a register, the more confidently it prints numbers. Two of the ten are sites this site has previously caught publishing one breed under another breed's name. One of the ten contradicts itself inside a single page.
The clearest case is the Indian page at position three, and it is worth walking field by field because everything wrong with the genre is on one screen.
| What the page prints | The problem |
|---|---|
| Group: Extinct. History: revived by the 1970s and now popular in France | The same page says the breed is both extinct and thriving |
| Table: Not recognized by the American Kennel Club. And Not recognized by FCI | Correct, and confirmed independently against both registers |
| History: recognized by the Kennel Club, AKC, Canadian Kennel Club and FCI | Directly contradicts its own table, and is false against both registers checked |
| Weight: 50-64 pounds (22-34 kg) | 50 to 64 lb is 22.7 to 29.0 kg. 34 kg is 75 lb, so the two ranges do not correspond |
| Height: Male 29.5 in (75 cm), Female 27.5 in (70 cm) | Converts correctly, but its own Description says 18 to 22 inches, 7.5 inches short at the top |
| Coat: Dense, Rough. Coat Texture: Soft and silky | Two rows of one table contradict each other |
| Coat Color Possibilities: Fawn, Red, Sable, Brindle, Black, White | Fauve means fawn. Every source describes one uniform colour |
| Date of Origin: 1890 | The breed is documented at the French court in 1520 and was last shown in 1889 |
| Purpose: Companionship | Every source describes a wolf and boar pack hound |
| Weather & Climate: Tolerates warm and cold weather | An unsourced heat claim about a dog nobody alive has met |
| Daily Cost $10-$20, Monthly Cost $50-$100 | $10 a day is $300 a month, three to twelve times the stated monthly figure |
| Lifespan 10-14 years in the table, 10 to 12 in the Description | Two lifespans on one page, neither sourced |
Twelve fields, and the page disagrees with itself in five of them. The recognition contradiction is the most damaging, because a reader who reads only the history paragraph comes away believing four kennel clubs recognise a breed that none of them has ever listed.
The marketplace pattern, on a breed with no animals
The page at position nine takes the opposite approach: its prose is careful, and its infrastructure is not. It states plainly that no living population is generally recognized under the Grand Fauve de Bretagne name and advises readers to look at Griffon Fauve or Basset Fauve breeders instead, which is sound. Then it offers, on the same page, a marketplace listing alert, a herdbook, a profiles directory, a breeder directory and a Dog Gestation Calculator preset for the breed.
All four counters read zero: no active listings, no public herdbook records, no community profiles, no breeders listed yet. The page also prints a colour list for the breed running to 55 entries, including Albino, Blue Merle, Harlequin, Leucistic and Tuxedo, for a dog whose defining characteristic is that it was one solid fawn. That list is the site's global colour vocabulary applied to a breed rather than a description of it.
The two named sites to treat as fabricated until proven otherwise
Two of the ten domains ranking for this term, Snoutastic at position four and Creatures.com at position nine, have each previously been caught publishing a completely different breed's content under a target breed's name, twice each. They rank for extinct and obscure breeds precisely because almost nobody else writes those pages. Cite neither for a fact. Naming what they are is more useful to a reader than anything they claim.
The mechanism matters more than any single wrong number. A page like Petlur's is machine-readable, well-structured and confident, and an answer engine summarising the query will find a specification table with a weight, a height, a lifespan and a recognition status, all of them wrong or self-contradicting, and none of them marked as uncertain. The registers that would settle it are three clicks away and carry no such table.
Monthly cost of ownership in India for a hound this size, and the two gaps in it
A 30 kg hound in an Indian city costs roughly Rs 5,000 to Rs 9,000 a month in food, parasite control and routine veterinary care, and this section shows the arithmetic rather than asserting a total. Two inputs could not be sourced and are marked as gaps rather than filled.
The cost of ownership question is worth answering even for a breed nobody can buy, because the arithmetic is what a reader actually needs when comparing any large hound. Every rupee figure below was read off a live Indian page and is dated 31 August 2026.
Food, priced per kilogram from Indian retail
| Product | Pack | Price as printed | Rs per kg |
|---|---|---|---|
| Drools Chicken and Egg Adult | 20 kg | Rs 3,041 | 152.05 |
| Pedigree Chicken and Vegetables Adult | 20 kg | Rs 3,300 | 165.00 |
| Pedigree Chicken and Vegetables Adult | 15 kg | Rs 2,584 | 172.27 |
| Pedigree Chicken and Vegetables Adult | 10 kg, Supertails | Rs 2,016 | 201.60 |
| Pedigree Chicken and Vegetables Adult | 10 kg, Amazon.in | Rs 2,437 | 243.70 |
Two things in that table matter more than the headline. The same 10 kg pack costs Rs 2,016 on one Indian retailer and Rs 2,437 on another on the same day, a 21 per cent gap, and the two sites print different maximum retail prices for it, Rs 2,390 against Rs 2,500 Amazon.in, Pedigree Adult Dry Dog Food. Buying the 20 kg pack rather than the 10 kg cuts the per-kilogram cost by about 18 per cent.
Neither Indian retailer nor the Pedigree India brand page publishes a grams-per-day feeding chart in text. The feeding table exists only inside product photographs. This page therefore prints a cost per kilogram and refuses to print a monthly food total, because doing so would require inventing the ration. Multiply the per-kilogram figure by a ration your own vet sets.
Parasite control, which is the one Indian cost that is not optional
Tick and flea control is the line item an Indian owner cannot skip, and for a dog in the 20 to 40 kg band there is a clean published price. Bravecto 1000 mg fluralaner, one tablet covering 20 to 40 kg, costs Rs 1,805 and is dosed once every 12 weeks, which works out at roughly Rs 602 a month. It requires a prescription.
That cost is justified by real exposure rather than by caution. A 2025 survey across 28 villages in the Western Ghats examined 2,877 domestic animals and found tick prevalence of 42.60 per cent among dogs, with a 95 per cent confidence interval of 30.33 to 55.84, on a dog arm of just 54 animals, with Rhipicephalus sanguineus dominant. Quote that figure only with its confidence interval and its n, because a 25-point interval on 54 dogs is a wide one.
Veterinary care, where public and private prices differ by more than twenty times
| Item | Government, Chandigarh | Private, Vetic Delhi |
|---|---|---|
| Consultation or outdoor ticket for a pet | Rs 30 | No rupee figure published |
| Anti-rabies vaccination | Rs 30 | From Rs 699 |
| Nine-in-one DHPPiL | Not listed | From Rs 899 |
| Kennel cough | Not listed | From Rs 1,349 |
| Adult annual booster package | Not listed | From Rs 3,199 |
| Minor operation | Rs 50 | Not listed |
| Major operation | Rs 100 | Not listed |
The government anti-rabies fee of Rs 30 and the private from-Rs-699 price are both real and both current, and the gap between them is the single most useful cost fact for an Indian dog owner on this page.
The private chain's own consultation page is headed Most Affordable Pet Consultations In Delhi and carries no rupee figure anywhere on it. That is a genuine absence rather than a failed read: the same tool in the same session rendered a full price list on the same chain's vaccination page. So this page prints the government consultation fee, which is published, and reports that the private one is not.
Could a Grand Fauve de Bretagne have handled the Indian climate? The numbers say no
A Grand Fauve de Bretagne would have coped badly with Indian heat, and the reason is arithmetic rather than opinion. Its homeland runs an annual mean of 11.62 degrees Celsius; Chennai runs 27.95. That is a gap of 16.33 degrees, and no coat adapts across it.
This is the one section of this page where the analysis is genuinely ours rather than borrowed, so the method is stated first. Climate figures below come from NASA POWER queried by explicit latitude and longitude, not by place name, because a name-based climate lookup can silently serve another city. Brittany is sampled at Rennes, 48.1113 N and 1.6778 W, the largest city of the breed's home region.
| Location | Annual mean temp, C | Annual mean relative humidity, % | Warmest month mean, C |
|---|---|---|---|
| Rennes, Brittany | 11.62 | 82.54 | 18.71 in July |
| Chennai | 27.95 | 72.39 | 31.51 in May |
| Delhi | 25.60 | 45.56 | 35.88 in June |
| Mumbai | 26.77 | 67.39 | 31.19 in May |
| Bengaluru | 23.74 | 67.94 | 26.97 in May |
Read the temperature column first. Chennai's annual mean, 27.95 degrees, is 9.24 degrees hotter than the hottest month Brittany ever averages. A dog bred in a place whose warmest month sits at 18.71 would spend every day of an Indian year above the top of its native range. Delhi's June mean of 35.88 is 17.17 degrees above Brittany's July.
What the breed's own describers claimed about weather
The only environmental quality anybody ever claimed for the Grand Fauve de Bretagne is the opposite of heat tolerance. The UK breed club's account praises their resistance to the cold and wet. The FCI standard for its surviving descendant says the dog is very resistant to weather and fatigue without specifying which weather, in a document written for France.
Nobody in the historical record claimed heat tolerance for this breed. The one page that does claim it is the Indian aggregator at position three, whose Weather and Climate field reads Tolerates warm and cold weather with no source, on a page that also gets the breed's recognition status, coat texture, height, weight and lifespan wrong.
Why Hall's heat-illness odds ratios cannot be quoted for this breed
The best evidence on canine heat-related illness comes from two 2020 papers on the same 905,543-dog UK cohort, and neither can be applied to this breed. Hall 2020 in Scientific Reports identified 395 confirmed heat-related illness events, an incidence of 0.04 per cent and an event fatality rate of 14.18 per cent, and found dogs over 50 kg carried 3.42 times the odds of heat-related illness against dogs under 10 kg. Hall 2020 in Animals identified 1,259 events from 1,222 dogs and found that of the 879 events with a recorded trigger, 652 were exertional, which is 74.2 per cent.
Both papers set an inclusion threshold of at least five heat-illness cases and at least 5,000 dogs for a breed to be modelled separately, and neither paper contains the strings Fauve, Bretagne, Griffon or Basset anywhere. The only hound breeds named in either are the Greyhound and the Beagle. So this page claims only the transferable factor, which is that heavier dogs within a breed carried higher odds, and states plainly that the Grand Fauve de Bretagne was never in the model.
Three quarters of the recorded-trigger heat events in the Animals paper were exertional, not hot cars and not hot rooms. That is a fact about how dogs overheat rather than about any breed, and it is the single most useful thing an Indian owner of any large hound can know: the danger is the walk, not the parked vehicle. Quote the figure as 652 of the 879 events with a recorded trigger, which is 74.2 per cent, and never as 74.2 per cent of 1,259, because 74.2 per cent of 1,259 is 934.
The humidity finding that reverses the usual story
Brittany is more humid than Chennai, not less. Rennes averages 82.54 per cent relative humidity across the year against Chennai's 72.39, so the thing that would have hurt this breed in India is heat alone, and the harsh coat argument has to be made carefully.
The instinctive assumption about a European breed in India is that the humidity is the shock. For this breed that assumption is wrong by 10.15 percentage points in the opposite direction NASA POWER climatology by latitude….
| Location | Annual mean RH, % | Difference from Rennes |
|---|---|---|
| Rennes, Brittany | 82.54 | - |
| Chennai | 72.39 | 10.15 points drier |
| Mumbai | 67.39 | 15.15 points drier |
| Bengaluru | 67.94 | 14.60 points drier |
| Delhi | 45.56 | 36.98 points drier |
Brittany's winter is wetter still, at 92.12 per cent in January and 92.61 in December. This is a cool, saturated, Atlantic climate, and a harsh coat on a hound working thorn and bramble in it makes complete sense. The UK breed club's phrase, resistance to the cold and wet, is describing exactly that environment.
What actually changes in India, stated precisely
The variable that changes is heat, and it changes enormously. What a humid Indian summer does to a dog of this type is not to introduce moisture it has never met, but to combine moisture it knows with temperatures it does not. Chennai in May averages 31.51 degrees at 72 per cent humidity; Rennes in July averages 18.71 at 74 per cent NASA POWER climatology by latitude…. Similar air moisture, nearly 13 degrees apart.
- Delhi is the outlier and the hardest case in a different way. It is 13.98 degrees hotter than Rennes and 36.98 points drier, so a coat evolved for wet cold meets dry extreme heat, with a recorded climatological maximum of 48.79 degrees.
- Chennai and Mumbai are the closest match on humidity and the worst on heat, which is the combination that limits evaporative cooling by panting.
- Bengaluru is the mildest of the four, at 23.74 degrees annual mean, and is the only Indian city on this list whose warmest month, at 26.97, comes within 8.3 degrees of Brittany's July.
- No Indian city on this list has an annual mean below 23.74, against Brittany's 11.62.
So the honest climate verdict is narrower and firmer than the usual one. This breed would not have struggled in India because of damp; Brittany is damper. It would have struggled because every month of an Indian year sits above the hottest month it was built for, and because the exertional pattern in the heat-illness literature means the risk arrives during work, which is the only thing this dog was kept to do.
Temperament: the trait the sources agree on, and the one that killed the breed
Every source that describes the Grand Fauve de Bretagne's temperament describes the same thing: an exceptionally hard, driven, difficult hound. That is the one characteristic on which the literature is unanimous, and it is also the reason the breed no longer exists.
Nineteenth-century writers were blunt. The dogs were renowned for their unruly natures, being very difficult to control, and their temperament suited them to dangerous quarry but also meant they were also known to kill sheep and goats against their huntsman's wishes. Horter's version is sharper: The dogs were first-class hooligans.
That is not a marketing description of a spirited dog. It is a working complaint from people whose livestock were being killed. A hound that breaks off quarry to kill a neighbour's goat is a liability in any century, and the outcross history in the section above shows two successive owners trying to breed the tendency out.
What that temperament would have meant in an Indian home
Translate it into modern terms and the picture is unambiguous. A large, unruly, high-prey-drive pack hound with a documented history of livestock killing is not an apartment dog, not a first-dog, and not a safe neighbour in a country where free-roaming dogs, cattle, goats and poultry share street space with people. The temperament that made the breed valuable on wolf is precisely the temperament that would make it unmanageable in Chennai or Pune.
The temperament of the surviving relative, for contrast
The Griffon Fauve de Bretagne's own FCI standard describes something quite different, and the contrast is instructive. Fauves de Bretagne are impassioned hunters but are good natured with people, sociable, affectionate and equable, it says, and adds that when well conducted, they are obedient and return readily. The UKC standard says the same in fewer words: Enterprising and efficient hunters, but also sociable, equable and affectionate with people.
So the surviving branch of the family is explicitly good-natured, and the extinct branch was explicitly not. That difference is the most under-reported fact about this breed, and it is the one that a reader drawn to the Grand Fauve's romance most needs. The dog people actually kept, and still keep, is the friendly one.
Several ranking pages print temperament ratings for this breed, and one describes it as Companionable, Entertaining and Social with a listed Purpose of Companionship. No living dog of this breed has been assessed by anyone, so every such score is generated rather than observed. This page prints no temperament rating for the Grand Fauve de Bretagne, because there is nothing to rate.
Training a pack hound that nobody could train, and what that tells you
The Grand Fauve de Bretagne was, on the record, close to untrainable in the sense that mattered to its owners. Training a pack hound means stopping it, and the complaint against this breed was precisely that it could not be stopped once it was running.
Understand what training meant for a French pack in the age of wolf hunting. A huntsman needed the pack to hunt the quarry it was laid on, to stay together, to speak while running so he could follow, and above all to leave alone everything that was not the quarry. The Grand Fauve reportedly failed the last of those. Killing sheep and goats against their huntsman's wishes is not a temperament quirk; it is a training failure with a bill attached.
The evidence that the failure was structural rather than local is that the fix attempted was genetic, not behavioural. The Comte de St Prix crossed the pack to Bloodhounds specifically trying to temper their disposition, and it did not work. Men who spent their lives training hounds concluded the problem was in the dogs.
What the surviving standard says a Fauve should be like to train
The FCI standard for the Griffon Fauve de Bretagne describes the trainability the extinct branch apparently lacked. It calls the dogs courageous, wily, tenacious and steady, says they are enterprising and efficient but show themselves equally capable of harking in, and concludes that when well conducted, they are obedient and return readily. Harking in is the technical point: it means coming back to the pack when called off. That is the exact behaviour the Grand Fauve is recorded as refusing.
The transferable lesson for anyone with a scent hound in India
Train recall before anything else, if you keep any hound in an Indian city. A scent hound that will not return is a dog that will be hit by traffic, and Indian streets do not offer the empty countryside a French pack ran in. Three practical points follow from the historical record rather than from generic advice.
- Assume the nose beats the recall until you have proved otherwise on a long line, because that is what defeated professional huntsmen with this family of dogs.
- Treat livestock as a live risk, not a theoretical one. In India that means goats, poultry, cattle and free-roaming dogs, all of which share street space.
- Do not breed a temperament problem out. Indian law forbids the in-breeding and incest breeding that a small corrective programme tends to reach for, under the Second Schedule Part II paragraph 6(3) of the Dog Breeding and Marketing Rules 2017.
Aggregator pages print a Trainability score for this breed. No dog of this breed has been trained by anyone in over a century, so the score is generated. The only trainability evidence that exists is the historical complaint, and it is negative.
The daily exercise requirement, and the number nobody sourced
No sourced daily exercise figure exists for the Grand Fauve de Bretagne, and the figures circulating are generated. The only defensible statement is what the job demanded, which was a full day's hunting in rough country.
A pack hound worked on wolf and wild boar in Breton thorn and bramble was not exercised; it was employed. The FCI's description of the surviving Griffon captures the physical standard the family was bred to: a bony and muscular dog, very resistant to weather and fatigue, and a quite active hound, particularly suitable to difficult terrain. Resistance to fatigue is the operative phrase, and it describes an animal built to work all day.
Against that, look at what the ranking pages print. One gives Rec. Walk Mileage Per Week: 30-60 minutes and Minutes of Activity Per Day: 30-60 minutes for this breed, two different measures filled with the same number, one of them expressed in minutes under a heading asking for miles. That is a template being filled, not a requirement being reported.
What a comparable living hound actually needs
The Royal Kennel Club rates the surviving Griffon Fauve de Bretagne at up to 1 hour per day of exercise and describes it as a country rather than a town dog. That figure is for a 48 to 56 cm hound. The Grand Fauve stood 69 to 74 cm on the published claims, so any honest extrapolation points upward, and this page will not put a number on the extrapolation because there is nothing to anchor it to.
Why the exercise question is the dangerous one in India
Exercise is where the heat risk lands, and that is not a guess. In the larger of the two Hall 2020 studies, of the 879 heat-related illness events with a recorded trigger, 652 were exertional, which is 74.2 per cent, against 113 environmental and 46 from vehicular confinement. Exercise, not parked cars, is how dogs in that cohort overwhelmingly overheated.
Put those two facts together for an Indian reader and the conclusion is unavoidable. A dog bred for all-day endurance work, kept in a country whose coolest listed city averages 23.74 degrees, would be at its most vulnerable during exactly the activity it was built for. The exercise requirement and the climate ceiling point in opposite directions, and there is no schedule that resolves them.
Grooming a harsh Breton jacket in Indian humidity
The Grand Fauve de Bretagne carried a short, dense, harsh coat, which is the lowest-maintenance coat type a working hound can have and the one most often mishandled in India. Grooming it would have meant weekly brushing, ear checks and nothing else.
Take the coat description from the sources that have one. Wikipedia gives short, dense and harsh. The FCI standard for the surviving Griffon, which describes the same jacket on a smaller dog, gives very rough, harsh, rather short, never woolly or curly, and adds that the face shouldn't be too bushy. The UKC standard repeats it and lists woolly or curly coat and sparse, smooth, fine coat as serious faults.
So this is a rough, weatherproof, single-length working jacket, not a double coat and not a long one. The Royal Kennel Club rates the surviving breed's grooming need at once a week and its coat length as medium. There is no reason to think the extinct larger version differed.
The one grooming instruction that does not transfer to India
Overseas breed clubs write care guidance for their own climate, and the instruction that most reliably fails in India is the one about drying. A dog towelled and left to air dry is fine in Brittany, where the annual mean temperature is 11.62 degrees. In an Indian monsoon, a harsh coat left damp against skin, and above all a damp ear canal, is how otitis externa starts.
- Dry the ears deliberately after every bath and every swim, rather than letting them air dry.
- Brush weekly with a bristle or slicker brush, which is all a short harsh coat needs.
- Never clip or shave a harsh working coat to cope with heat; it does not regrow with the same texture and it removes the layer that shades the skin.
- Check between the toes and under the elbows in the monsoon, where damp sits longest.
The hypoallergenic question, answered once
This breed was not hypoallergenic and no breed is. Vredegoor and colleagues measured the major dog allergen Can f 1 across 196 dogs of so-called hypoallergenic breeds against 160 control dogs and found the hypoallergenic group came back higher, not lower, on both hair and coat samples, with no difference in airborne allergen, concluding that there is no evidence for the classification of certain dog breeds as being hypoallergenic. One ranking page prints Hypoallergenic: No for this breed, which is correct, and prints a Shedding Level field left blank beside it.
The breed was one solid fawn. The FCI colour clause for its descendant allows fawn from golden wheaten to red brick, tolerates a few black hairs on back and ears, and treats a small white chest star as present but not sought after. Any page offering this breed in brindle, black, white, merle or harlequin is printing a template, and one of them prints 55 colours including Albino and Leucistic.
Health and life expectancy: what is genuinely known, which is nothing
No health data exists for the Grand Fauve de Bretagne. There is no lifespan study, no screening scheme, no registry row and no published disease prevalence, and this page prints none of those figures rather than borrowing them from a relative.
Three databases were checked, each with a working control in the same session, and all three returned nothing for this breed.
| Source | Result for this breed | Control run in the same session |
|---|---|---|
| OFA disease statistics tables | No row. The string FAUVE appears 21 times, every one of them BASSET FAUVE DE BRETAGNE | LABRADOR 109 hits, BASSET 132, GRIFFON 159 across four other Griffon breeds |
| PubMed | Nothing. The family's entire corpus is three records, all about the Basset | Labrador hip dysplasia 126, Beagle glaucoma 128 |
| McMillan 2024 longevity tables S3 and S6 | No row. Fauve and Bretagne both appear zero times | Petite Basset Griffon Vendeen, Basset Hound, Brussels Griffon and Brittany all present |
| Royal Kennel Club health pages | Not listed as a breed at all | The surviving Griffon Fauve de Bretagne is listed |
The OFA absence is a real finding rather than a failed search. OFA requires 100 hip evaluations, or 50 for its other databases, before a breed is published at all, so absence there normally means too few dogs. For this breed it means no dogs. The correct phrasing is that it has no row in OFA's published statistics tables, not that it is absent from the OFA database.
The longevity tables, and the breed that was explicitly excluded
McMillan 2024, the largest UK canine longevity study, is worth naming precisely because of what it shows about the family. Its supplementary breed table lists Griffon Fauve De Bretagne (Fawn Brittany Griffon) and marks it N for inclusion in the survival analysis, while the Basset Fauve de Bretagne appears only folded into the Petite Basset Griffon Vendeen tip for the phylogenetic reclassification, with no independent estimate. The Grand Fauve appears nowhere. For context, the relatives that did make the cut have real numbers: the Petite Basset Griffon Vendeen shows 148 deaths and a median of 13.7 years, the Basset Hound 883 deaths and 12.5 years.
Note one caution about that paper, because it matters to anyone re-checking it. Its supplementary tables S3 and S6 disagree on the sample-size column for the same breeds, while the death counts agree exactly across both. Build any sentence on the death count and the median, not on the N.
The one inherited disease in the family, and why it cannot be attributed here
The Fauve de Bretagne family has exactly one well-characterised inherited disease, and it belongs to the Basset. Oliver and colleagues found that all affected Basset Fauve de Bretagne dogs in their study were homozygous for a missense mutation in exon 11 of ADAMTS17, causing a glycine to serine substitution at position 519, associated with primary open angle glaucoma. Of 24 unaffected Basset Fauves genotyped, 5 were heterozygous and 19 were homozygous wild type.
That study examined 226 Basset Hounds and 27 Basset Fauve de Bretagne dogs, and the string Griffon Fauve appears in it zero times. No Grand Fauve was or could have been tested. Attributing the mutation to this breed would be importing a finding into a population the authors never sampled, which is fabrication wearing a citation.
Second Schedule Part III paragraph 8(10) of the Dog Breeding and Marketing Rules 2017 requires breeding dogs to have been tested for genetic defects, including hip dysplasia, progressive retinal atrophy, night blindness, hypothyroidism, entropion, ectropion, overshot and undershot jaw, wry mouth, two or more missing teeth and cryptorchidism. Across the whole gazette the word glaucoma appears zero times, patella zero, BAER zero and deaf zero, with hip dysplasia and progressive retinal each appearing once as controls. So the one condition this family actually has a DNA test for is not on the Indian list, and the list is illustrative rather than closed because the clause says including.
The Indian health risk that would actually have mattered: ears, and three studies that disagree
Ear disease is the condition a pendulous-eared hound in India is most likely to meet, and the Indian evidence on when it peaks is genuinely unsettled. Three published Indian series give three answers, and this page prints all three rather than choosing.
A drop-eared hound in a humid country gets otitis externa. That much is not controversial. When it gets it is, and the disagreement is worth showing because every Indian pet page asserts the monsoon without checking.
| Study | Location and window | Dogs screened, cases | Seasonal finding |
|---|---|---|---|
| Nainika and Sharma | Palampur, Himachal Pradesh, June 2022 to July 2023 | 2,476 screened, 81 cases, 3.27% | Rainy July to August 48 cases, 59.25% |
| Roy, Kashyap and Roy 2018 | Durg, Chhattisgarh, July 2016 to June 2017 | 281 screened, 51 cases, 18.14% | Summer 21 cases, 41.18%, against rainy 33.33% |
| Singh and colleagues 2024 | Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh, May to October 2022 | 651 screened, 92 cases, 14.13% | Monsoon 16.46%, but not statistically significant |
Two peak in the monsoon and one peaks in summer, and the third one's monsoon peak is not statistically significant, at a chi-squared of 1.822 with p greater than 0.05. So the honest Indian answer is regional variation, not a settled rule. Every arithmetic check on the three reproduces: 81 of 2,476 is 3.27 per cent, 48 of 81 is 59.25 per cent, 51 of 281 is 18.14 per cent, 21 of 51 is 41.18 per cent, and 40 of 243 is 16.46 per cent.
Two cautions on the most-quoted of the three
The Palampur study is the one whose 59.25 per cent figure travels, and two things about it should travel with it. Its window runs 14 months, from June 2022 to July 2023, so June and July are each sampled twice while every other month is sampled once, and July is a rainy month. And its rainy season is defined as two months, July and August, against a winter of four, December to March, so 59.25 per cent of cases falling in one sixth of the year is a sharper finding than the raw percentage suggests but rests on unequal seasons. Neither point is flagged in the paper.
Its ear-carriage table also fails arithmetic, and this page prints the sound half only. The table gives Pendulous ear breed 53, 69.13 per cent and Erect 25, 30.86 per cent. But 53 of 81 is 65.43 per cent, and 53 plus 25 is 78 rather than 81, whereas 56 of 81 is 69.14 per cent and 56 plus 25 balances at 81. The count 53 is the error and the percentage is sound, so quote 69.13 and 30.86 per cent, or 56 and 25 of 81, and never the printed 53.
A widely indexed search snippet attributes the 59.25 per cent monsoon figure and an 80.25 per cent male-predominance figure to Parmar and colleagues 2020, an Anand Agricultural University study of 116 dogs. That paper was opened in full and contains no season, month or rainfall analysis of any kind. The figures belong to the Palampur study. This is exactly why a figure should be read from the document rather than from the snippet that advertises it.
The practical consequence for anyone keeping a drop-eared hound in India is the same whichever season peaks locally. Dry the ear canal after every bath and every swim, look inside the ear weekly rather than waiting for a smell, and treat a head-shake as a reason to see a veterinarian rather than to buy a drop over the counter.
Feeding a 30 kg working hound in India, and the number nobody publishes
Feed a hound of this size by body condition rather than by a printed cup count, because no Indian retailer publishes a machine-readable ration and every online figure for this breed is generated. What can be priced is the food itself, at Rs 152 to Rs 165 per kilogram in 20 kg packs.
Start with what cannot be said. The ranking pages give this breed 2 to 3 cups of high-quality dry food a day, divided into two meals and, three rows below in the same table, Cups Per Day: 3.5 cups. One table, two different rations, neither sourced, for a breed whose last confirmed individual was shown in 1889.
What can be said is the cost per unit and the shape of the requirement. A dog bred for all-day endurance work in cold wet country has a high maintenance energy requirement in its working season and a much lower one at rest, and the FCI's description of the surviving Fauve as very resistant to weather and fatigue describes an animal built to burn calories.
What actually changes about feeding in India
- Feed the larger part of the ration at night in summer. Digestion generates heat, and in a city averaging 27.95 degrees the middle of the day is the worst time to add any.
- Never feed immediately before or after exercise for any deep-chested hound, because the exertional pattern in the heat-illness literature puts the risk squarely on the working period.
- Buy the 20 kg pack if you have dry storage, because it is about 18 per cent cheaper per kilogram than the 10 kg.
- Store it against humidity. In a country where the coolest listed city still runs 67.94 per cent annual relative humidity, an opened 20 kg sack of kibble goes stale and can grow mould faster than the same sack in Brittany.
The honest position on a daily gram figure
This page publishes no grams-per-day figure for the Grand Fauve de Bretagne, and the reason is worth stating plainly rather than hiding. There is no breed-specific feeding research, no living population to observe, and no Indian retailer publishing a text feeding chart to anchor a calculation to. A page that prints one is either copying a template or converting a foreign figure. Ask a veterinarian to set the ration against your own dog's body condition score, and re-check it every six weeks.
The first year, month by month, and why no honest timeline exists for this breed
No month-by-month puppy timeline can be written for the Grand Fauve de Bretagne, because no puppy of the breed has existed in over a century and nobody recorded one when they did. What follows is the timeline that Indian law imposes on any puppy, which is checkable.
Refuse the generated version first. Aggregator pages print a gestation duration of 60 to 64 days, a litter size of 2 to 6 puppies and a breeding frequency of once a year for this breed. Those are generic canine values applied to a name. No litter of this breed has been recorded in the modern era.
The legal timeline, which is real
| Point in the year | What the Rules require | Clause |
|---|---|---|
| Before 8 weeks | The pup may not be sold at all | Rule 8(1)(a) |
| At any age | No tail docking, ear cropping, de-barking, de-clawing, branding or dyeing | Second Schedule Part II para 6(8) |
| Before breeding | The dog must have been tested for a listed set of genetic defects | Second Schedule Part III para 8(10) |
| Before any mating | In-breeding within four generations and incest breeding are prohibited | Second Schedule Part II para 6(3) |
| At any age | Breeding to create new breeds or unusual looks is prohibited | Second Schedule Part II para 6(9) |
Cite those as Second Schedule paragraphs, not as Rules. The Rules' own Rule 6 is a different provision, headed Requirements to be met by breeders and establishments, and what it does is make the Second Schedule binding. Rule 8(1)(a) genuinely is a Rule, and it genuinely does say pups less than eight weeks in age are not sold.
The clause that would bite hardest on a revival attempt
Anyone attempting to recreate this breed in India would run straight into paragraph 6(9), which reads in full: Breeding to create new breeds of dogs or unusual looks shall be strictly prohibited. A recreation programme is, definitionally, breeding to create a breed. Paragraph 6(3) closes the other obvious route, prohibiting in-breeding between relatives of the second to fourth grade within the first four generations, and incest breeding between parents and children or brother and sister, which is exactly what a founder population of a handful of dogs would require.
Whatever breed you actually bring home, the first sixteen weeks are when a scent hound learns that traffic, other dogs, livestock and strangers are ordinary. For a family with a documented history of livestock killing, that window is not optional. Start recall on a long line from the day the puppy is home, and treat every goat, cow and street dog as a training opportunity rather than an obstacle.
What Indian law says about importing or recreating a breed like this
Indian law would block this breed twice over even if a living population existed. Import law makes dogs a Restricted item that may not be brought in for breeding or trade, and the breeding Rules prohibit outright the kind of programme a revival would require.
Two separate instruments apply, and they are often conflated, so this section keeps them apart.
The import route, and the ports of entry
Dogs sit at ITC(HS) 01061900 and are Restricted, subject to Policy Condition 6 of that chapter. DGFT Trade Notice 22/2022-23 of 19 December 2022 sets out the rest. Policy Condition 7 permits import only for a pet dog with a valid pet book and relevant records in the name of the importer, for dogs imported by research organisations with the recommendation of the CPCSEA, and for internal security by the Defence and Police Force. Policy Condition 8 states that import of commercial dogs for breeding or any other commercial activity other than those purposes is not permitted.
The notice is blunter still in its own paragraph 6: any applications for trading or breeding purposes, or applications made on behalf of some another person or entity, shall be duly rejected. And paragraph 7 limits entry to six named places: import of pet animals is allowed only through airports and seaports of Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Hyderabad, Bangalore and Kolkata, with quarantine at the government station of those ports where required.
The six ports above belong to the DGFT commercial and restricted route. Personal pet import under baggage rules runs on a different instrument, the Livestock Importation Act 1898, under which S.O. 4396(E) of 10 October 2024 additionally permits pet dogs and cats through Cochin International Airport, Kochi. The DGFT notice still names six ports for its own licence route, so the six-port sentence above is quoted from the notice as it reads, and a pet arriving under the baggage rules can land at seven ports today. Both lists are right for their own route, as how to import a dog to India sets out.
The breeding route, which closes the revival argument
Anyone proposing to recreate the Grand Fauve de Bretagne from its surviving relatives would need three things Indian law forbids. Paragraph 6(9) of the Second Schedule Part II states in a single sentence that breeding to create new breeds of dogs or unusual looks shall be strictly prohibited. Paragraph 6(3) prohibits both in-breeding, defined as breeding between relatives of the second to fourth grade within the first four generations, and incest breeding between parents and children or brother and sister. Paragraph 6(8) forbids docking, cropping, de-clawing, de-barking and any change of appearance by artificial means.
Cite those as Second Schedule paragraphs and never as Rule 6(9) or Rule 8(10). The Rules' own Rule 6 is a different provision, headed Requirements to be met by breeders and establishments, and its function is to make the Second Schedule binding. Rule 8(1)(a) is a genuine Rule, and it is the eight-week sale minimum.
What the Rules do not contain, which is citable
The gazette text was searched directly, and four absences are real. Across the whole document the word glaucoma appears zero times, patella zero, BAER zero and deaf zero, while hip dysplasia and progressive retinal each appear once as controls proving the search worked. So there is no Indian patella-testing requirement and no Indian hearing-test requirement, and the one inherited disease this dog family actually has a DNA test for is not on the mandatory list. The list is illustrative rather than closed, because paragraph 8(10) says including.
The practical upshot for a reader in India is short. There is no lawful supply chain that could produce this breed, no register that could document it, and no living stock to work from. Those three facts together are why the honest answer to every commercial question on this page is an absence rather than a number.
The Grand Fauve de Bretagne against the three hounds it is confused with
Compare the Grand Fauve de Bretagne with its two surviving relatives and you get the clearest picture available, because the family is the only frame in which the extinct dog can be measured at all. The table below sets the four figures that matter side by side, and marks every cell that rests on no breed standard.
The Fauve de Bretagne family has three members in the English-language literature and two in any register. The American Kennel Club puts it plainly on its own Basset Fauve de Bretagne page: there are three hounds originating from the Brittany region of France, the Grand Fauve de Bretagne (extinct), the Griffon Fauve de Bretagne, and the Basset Fauve de Bretagne. Only the second and third of those appear in the FCI register, as Standard N 66 and Standard N 36 respectively, both in Group 6.
| Grand Fauve de Bretagne | Griffon Fauve de Bretagne | Basset Fauve de Bretagne | |
|---|---|---|---|
| FCI standard number | None, absent from the register | 66 | 36 |
| FCI group and section | None | Group 6, Section 1.2, medium-sized hounds | Group 6, Section 1.3, small-sized hounds |
| FCI validity date shown | None | 3/25/2003, that is 25 March 2003 | 3/25/2003, that is 25 March 2003 |
| Height at the withers | No standard exists. Published claims run 69 to 74 cm | 48 to 56 cm, both sexes, 2 cm tolerance | 32 to 38 cm |
| Weight in the standard | No standard exists | None given | None given |
| United Kennel Club | Not listed | Recognised 1 January 1996 | Listed |
| Royal Kennel Club | Not listed | Listed as an imported breed | Listed, championship status 2007 |
| AKC breed list | Absent | Absent | Present, recognised 2026 |
| Row in OFA statistics | None | None | Present, 357 eye evaluations |
| Living population | None claimed by any register | Yes, with French breeders listed by the SCC | Yes, in several countries |
Read the height row carefully, because it is the only row where the extinct breed has numbers and none of them has a document behind it. The Griffon's 48 to 56 cm and the Basset's 32 to 38 cm are quoted from published breed standards that anyone can download. The Grand Fauve's 69 to 74 cm is quoted from nothing of the kind, because a breed that no register ever admitted never had a breed standard written for it. Four sources give four answers inside a 5 cm spread, and the spread is examined in its own section above.
Why the Griffon is the honest comparison and the Basset is not
Use the Griffon Fauve de Bretagne, not the Basset, when you want to picture the extinct dog. The FCI's own history clause for Standard N 66 describes the Griffon as the parent form and the Basset as the derived breed, and the UK Basset Fauve de Bretagne club agrees, writing that the origin of the Basset Fauve must be sought in the much larger variety of Fauve. So the Griffon sits one step from the Grand in type and the Basset sits two, and the Basset additionally carries a shortened leg that the other two never had.
The practical consequence for a reader in India is blunt. You cannot buy a Grand Fauve de Bretagne at any price in india or anywhere else, and the nearest living thing to it is a Griffon Fauve de Bretagne, which is itself absent from every Indian source we could find. The Basset Fauve de Bretagne is the only member of the family with an AKC breed page and an OFA row, and it is still not sold in India.
The FCI register prints 3/25/2003 in its validity column for both surviving Fauve standards. The FCI writes dates as month/day/year, which the same register proves on its own face: its provisional table carries rows reading 9/17/2024, 6/21/2022, 2/26/2020, 3/30/2022 and 4/29/2019, and 17, 21, 26, 30 and 29 cannot be months. So 3/25/2003 is 25 March 2003, and the standard PDF confirms it by printing DATE OF PUBLICATION OF THE OFFICIAL VALID STANDARD: 25.03.2003. The English translation of that same standard is dated 05.05.2003, which is a different date for a different thing, and the two are easy to conflate.
Nine things people get wrong about the Grand Fauve de Bretagne
Nine errors recur across the pages that rank for this breed, and eight of them can be settled by opening one document. They are listed below in the order in which they mislead a reader, starting with the one that makes the breed sound purchasable.
- Treating it as a living breed you could buy. Nine of the ten pages ranking for the term carry a specification table of the kind used for dogs on sale, and one of them offers listing alerts and a gestation calculator for it. No register lists a living population.
- Believing a kennel club recognises it. The Indian page ranking third says in its own history section that the breed is recognised by the Kennel Club, the American Kennel Club, the Canadian Kennel Club and the FCI. That is false against the FCI register and against the AKC's own breed list, and it is contradicted by that same page's own specification table nine paragraphs earlier.
- Quoting a height as though a breed standard existed. No breed standard was ever written for this dog. Wikipedia gives up to 69 cm, the AKC gives 27.5 to 29.5 inches, and the UK breed club gives 70 to 74 cm, a 5 cm spread with nothing to adjudicate it Basset Fauve de Bretagne Club (UK).
- Repeating Wikipedia's 1873 three-packs claim as though Horter supports it. The claim is footnoted to Horter 2014 and Morris 2001. This page downloaded the Horter article and extracted its text: 13,601 characters, in which the string 1873 appears zero times and the phrase three packs appears zero times.
- Calling the extinction a wolf-extirpation story and stopping there. Horter, the source Wikipedia cites, says the opposite is at least as important: the dogs were first-class hooligans, the breed failed as a pack hound, and its fierceness and unruliness finally proved fatal for the breed.
- Naming the wrong breed at the moment of extinction. The AKC's own history article writes the Grand Basset de Bretagne became extinct in the 1800s, a breed name that exists nowhere, in a paragraph otherwise about the Grand Fauve.
- Assuming the FCI knows about a separate Grand Fauve. It does not. The history clause of FCI Standard N 66 treats the fauve de Bretagne as one continuous breed that declined when the wolf disappeared, and never names a separate larger breed at all.
- Expecting Indian search to distinguish the three Fauves. It does not. On the India-localised pull for this term, results 2, 3 and 4 of the top ten were about the Basset, not the Grand.
- Taking a rupee figure attached to the name as a dog price. Every rupee figure Indian search attaches to Fauve de Bretagne is merchandise, including a Rs 799 wall sticker discounted to Rs 120.
Calling the Grand Fauve de Bretagne extinct is correct, and this page does not dispute it. Three independent book sources, the AKC and a UK breed club all say so, and no register or club anywhere claims a living population. What is wrong is the confidence with which the surrounding detail is stated, and the complete absence of a date.
Adoption, and what an Indian reader should actually do instead
Adopt a dog that exists. There is no Grand Fauve de Bretagne to adopt, buy, import or rescue anywhere in the world, so the only useful thing this page can do is name what an Indian reader is likely being offered instead, and what the honest alternatives are.
Nobody can sell you this breed, and anybody who offers to is selling you something else. That is not a rhetorical warning; it is the arithmetic of a breed with no register entry, no herdbook and no living population. The site that ranks ninth for the term runs a marketplace, a herdbook, a profiles directory and a breeder directory for it, and all four counters read the same thing: no active listings, no public herdbook records, no community profiles, no breeders listed yet. It then offers a Dog Gestation Calculator preset for the breed.
What an Indian buyer is actually shown
Indian search surfaces three things for this name, and none is a dog. The first is a set of auto-generated directory shells: Justdial carries per-breed pet-shop pages that appear as navigation links on unrelated breed pages in cities as far apart as Balasore and Dehradun, and the rupee figures printed beside them are accessory prices such as a leash at Rs 400 or more, not dogs. The second is merchandise, such as a wall sticker listed at Rs 799 and offered at Rs 120. The third is editorial pages about a different Fauve, usually the Basset.
One Indian pet retailer does name the Griffon Fauve de Bretagne in a scenthound directory, which is a legitimate editorial mention rather than a supply signal. It lists the breed's origin as France and links onward. It does not offer a dog.
The four things worth doing instead
- Adopt an Indian street dog or a shelter hound. The Indian pariah dog is the single best-adapted dog for this climate, needs no import law clearance, and is free to adopt from any Indian shelter.
- Read the surviving relatives before you want one. The Griffon Fauve de Bretagne is the closest living type and the Basset Fauve de Bretagne is the one with real health data behind it.
- Consider an Indian scent-working breed if the nose is the appeal. The Rajapalayam and the Mudhol Hound are both recognised, both native and both far better suited to Indian heat than any Breton hound.
- Verify any claim of a revival against a register, not a website. A revived breed appears in a register. Check the FCI provisional list, which is where a genuinely new or restored breed enters, and which currently carries twenty entries, none of them a Fauve.
Adoption is also the honest answer to the question this page's traffic is really asking, which is what a rare and impressive-sounding hound would be like to live with. A dog that was described by nineteenth-century writers as killing a sheep or a goat as readily as it killed game, and which failed as a pack hound for exactly that reason, is not a household prospect in any climate. The reason it is gone is not romantic. It is that people who kept it for a living stopped wanting it.
Ask for the pedigree and the issuing register, then check that register yourself. There is no register that issues pedigrees for a Grand Fauve de Bretagne, so any paperwork offered names some other breed or no breed at all. Bonbeno does not recommend breeders, link puppy listings or quote live prices as offers.
Common questions
Is the Grand Fauve de Bretagne extinct?
Yes. Wikipedia, the American Kennel Club, a UK breed club and the specialist article Old French Hounds all describe the breed as extinct, and no register anywhere claims a living population. The UK breed club is the most careful of them and hedges its wording to these now appear to be extinct in France.
When did the Grand Fauve de Bretagne go extinct?
No source names a year. The AKC says the 1800s but misnames the breed in the same sentence, Wikipedia says in subsequent decades without a date, and the specialist article gives no date at all. The last dated evidence is an 1889 Paris dog show where more than ten were entered, with one pictured in a book published in 1904.
How big was the Grand Fauve de Bretagne?
Four sources give four different answers across a 5 cm spread, from up to 69 cm on Wikipedia to 70 to 74 cm from the UK breed club, with the AKC giving 27.5 to 29.5 inches. No breed standard was ever written for this breed, so no document exists that can settle which figure is right.
Is the Grand Fauve de Bretagne recognised by the FCI or the AKC?
No, by neither, and this was checked directly against both registers with working controls. The FCI alphabetical index for the letter G returns 24 breeds including the Griffon Fauve de Bretagne and four other Grand-prefixed hounds, and the Grand Fauve is not among them. The AKC breed list shows the same absence.
What is the difference between the Grand, the Griffon and the Basset Fauve de Bretagne?
They are three sizes of one Breton family, and only two survive. The Grand was the large extinct wolf hound, the Griffon Fauve de Bretagne is the medium one at 48 to 56 cm carrying FCI standard 66, and the Basset Fauve de Bretagne is the short-legged one at 32 to 38 cm carrying FCI standard 36.
What is the Grand Fauve de Bretagne price in India?
There is none, because no living dog of this breed exists to sell anywhere in the world. Every rupee figure Indian search attaches to the name is merchandise, including a wall sticker listed at Rs 799 and offered at Rs 120, or accessory pricing on auto-generated pet-shop directory pages.
Why did the Grand Fauve de Bretagne die out?
Two causes are documented and popular pages carry only one. The wolf disappeared from France in the mid-19th century, removing the breed's job. But the specialist article Wikipedia cites for that also says the dogs were first-class hooligans that failed as a pack hound, and that these characteristics finally proved fatal for the breed.
Could a Grand Fauve de Bretagne live in India?
It would have coped badly with the heat. Its homeland around Rennes in Brittany averages 11.62 degrees Celsius across the year, while Chennai averages 27.95, so every month of an Indian year sits above the hottest month Brittany ever averages. Nobody in the historical record ever claimed heat tolerance for this breed.
Was the Grand Fauve de Bretagne a hardy breed?
Its describers called it hardy in one specific direction only. The UK breed club praises its fire, dash, drive, fine nose and resistance to the cold and wet, which describes an Atlantic climate averaging 82.54 per cent relative humidity at 11.62 degrees. That is resilience to cold and damp, not to heat.
Is there any scientific research on the Grand Fauve de Bretagne?
None at all. The entire Fauve de Bretagne family has three records in PubMed and all three concern the Basset. Searching the exact phrase returns zero because PubMed rewrites de Bretagne as an author surname, which is demonstrably wrong since one of those three records carries the phrase in its own title.
Can the Grand Fauve de Bretagne be brought back?
Not lawfully in India, and not from existing material anywhere. Indian law prohibits breeding to create new breeds of dogs or unusual looks outright, and separately prohibits the close matings a tiny founder population would need. No register holds pedigrees for the breed, so there is no documented stock to work from.
Are the rare breed pages selling this dog trustworthy?
No. One Indian page states in its own table that the breed is recognised by neither the AKC nor the FCI and then states nine paragraphs later that four kennel clubs recognise it. Another offers a marketplace, a herdbook, a breeder directory and a gestation calculator for the breed, with all four counters reading zero.
How much does a Basset Fauve de Bretagne dog typically cost?
In US dollars, because that is the only currency it is priced in: USD 1,000 to 2,500 on one breeder listing site, USD 1,200 and 1,500 on a breed directory, and USD 2,500 to 3,500 on a third, a factor-of-3.5 spread across three sources for a living breed. Converted at 84.38 that runs from about Rs 84,380 to Rs 2,95,330. It is not sold in India. The extinct Grand Fauve de Bretagne, the subject of this page, has no price at all, because there is no living dog to sell.
Are Basset Fauves de Bretagne rare?
Rare in India, where it is not sold at all, and small but real elsewhere. It is the only member of the Fauve de Bretagne family with an AKC breed page and an OFA row, its published prices sit on three US listing sites, and the string FAUVE appears 21 times in the OFA statistics, every one of them BASSET FAUVE DE BRETAGNE. The Leroy study of French breeds put its effective number of ancestors at 40.2 for dogs born 1997 to 2001 with an average inbreeding coefficient of 3.9 percent. Its parent form, the Grand Fauve, is extinct, and the Griffon Fauve is absent from every Indian source this page could find.
Compare with similar breeds
Grand Fauve de Bretagne sits in 2 Bonbeno groups. Each one compares it directly against the breeds it is genuinely an alternative to, on the same figures.